FIX D&D Stealth + Hiding: LET's LEARN Pathfinder 2e's rules (Part 1: Rules Explanation)
474Pathfinder 2e's stealth + hiding rules are better than those for D&D 5e, but they are presented poorly. This video will help you! In the next video, I'll demonstrate all of Pathfinder 2e's stealth and hiding rules in an exciting (1 hour, 15 minute!) combat example!
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0:00 Introduction
2:33 Overview of D&D 5e's rules
7:43 Pathfinder 2e's rules
8:19 States of awareness
11:08 Hide
14:41 Create a Diversion
15:44 Sneak
18:36 Effects obscuring sight
20:14 Senses
23:08 Invisibility
25:08 Unnoticed
27:04 Seek
28:25 Point Out
29:27 Using these rules in D&D 5e
CORRECTIONS:
-Seek lets you target a 15' radius area ("15-foot burst") within line of sight. (It doesn't have to be around yourself.)
-Uh oh, a rules contradiction in PF2! Pathfinder 2e's invisibility spell says you become Undetected to creatures. But the Invisible condition says: "If you’re already observing a creature when it becomes invisible, it starts out hidden, since you know where it was when it became invisible, though it can then Sneak to become undetected." The spell description doesn't work within the context of the PF2 system, so I think the latter (and my video!) win out here. :) But alas, it is an instance where PF2 has a contradiction.
ADDITION: Would cover protect a defender if you snuck behind cover adjacent to them, thus possibly negating the benefit of catching them Flat-footed? I'd say generally no. Cover is not always reciprocal: If I successfully snuck to behind this wall corner, the wall's not really a problem for me in stabbing you. In general, if something stays at least Hidden, I'd rule no cover for the defender because they're not aware enough. (Also, it doesn't come up often and better to reward the player.) This is supported by the rulebook under https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=461
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