I react to and rebut the 3 Puffin Forest and Taking20 videos quitting Pathfinder 2e (Rules Lawyer)
2,106This is the 4th in my "Pathfinder Law School" series to give migrants to PF2E an overview of the system and help people in learning and enjoying it!
"Pathfinder Law School" playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5LfnOlAZRY6xyzxnx7JwV4hq9f8z7Y_V
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This was a LIVE chat where I give these the patented Rules Lawyer analytical eye! (Note: I have seen these videos before and so I will be prepared... this is meant to be a tool for people checking out the system!)
WHY AM I REACTING TO THESE OLD VIDEOS?:
These 3 videos and their creators are still Top Results when people browse YouTube for Pathfinder 2e reviews, and have convinced many people not to play the system.
Michael Sayre, Paizo Design Manager, referenced "dunk videos" as one of the "challenges" faced by Paizo that has discouraged people from trying PF2E: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/xsgynk/its_impossible_to_say_how_important_this/
And there was a Reddit thread Jan. 15, 2023, while the Wizards of the Coast's OGL scandal was its height, of people saying they were "misled" from checking out PF2E by these 3 videos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/10csgyb/taking_20_puffin_forest_5e_migrants_misled/
Another from the same day citing these same 2 creators' videos: "As a previous 5e player I feel like I owe this community an apology":
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/10crx3e/as_a_previous_5e_player_i_feel_like_i_owe_this/
I repeatedly refer on-stream to my rebuttal video to Taking20's combat example. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5xV7BOFwyw
My 1st 'rebuttal' to Puffin Forest: https://youtube.com/shorts/pYg_ArOjfZM?feature=share
EDIT: Here's the video response I wanted to share on stream but couldn't find! It's an effective rebuttal to Taking20's combat: https://youtu.be/nTsFZ-GbxMM
0:00 Why react to old negative videos?
12:30 Puffin Forest review of PF2E
46:36 The pain begins
1:44:43 5E has lots of modifiers, too
1:49:59 Taking20's 1st video
2:31:26 Account from one of his players
2:33:55 Taking20 clip, on PF2E skill checks
2:43:00 Account from another player
3:04:08 Taking20's 2nd video
3:34:43 Combat simulation
4:55:00 Wrapping up (and tired!), join the Discord community!
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